tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8062392313112900913.post1686455649841192923..comments2023-09-27T14:04:28.383-04:00Comments on lipstickeater: girls gone brandojoony schecter better known as BLACK MISTRESS TINAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11119576251295877389noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8062392313112900913.post-78835847163506052062009-01-30T18:27:00.000-05:002009-01-30T18:27:00.000-05:00I think there *is* a female "archetype" for "fat w...I think there *is* a female "archetype" for "fat woman letting go," maybe even a kind of "female bear," but it's pretty archaic. For instance, I'm thinking of Gunther Grass's character "Fat Gret" in his 1977 novel<I> The Flounder</I> as an example. Fat Gret is a nun who has huge appetites (for both food and sex), and does exactly what she wants, when she wants it - neither the Church nor the inherent limitations of medieval society keep her down.<BR/><BR/>Chaucher's Wife of Bath is like this too - she hasn't "let herself go," exactly (she's just older), but she is fat - and also amorous and independent.<BR/><BR/>There's Mistress Quickly in Shakespeare - she gets cleaned up a lot in Merry Wives of Windsor, but in the Henry IV plays she is for all practical purposes the mistress of the Boar's Head brothel side of the establishment, as well as one of Falstaff's former lovers. I don't recall her specifically being called out as fat, but Judi Dench played her in the film Henry V and "filled out" the character quite nicely.<BR/><BR/>Modern - not so much. We do get the lecherous old witch Nanny Ogg from Terry Pratchett's "Discworld." But in visual media (movies, TV), forget it.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure how much these characters have "let themselves go," as much as they simply don't play along with the "traditional" image of meek, mild, submissive, relatively asexual femininity.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, very interesting remarks.men_in_fullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13338967832044932679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8062392313112900913.post-51085205312204646592009-01-28T12:18:00.000-05:002009-01-28T12:18:00.000-05:00Gorgeous, Joony! I think when Janeane Garofalo fir...Gorgeous, Joony! I think when Janeane Garofalo first started appearing on Letterman and doing all her material about girls/women and weight, that was a huge sorta middle-finger Brando-ing gesture. She would sit slumped in the guest chair, awful posture, full of sardonic commentary about how girls need more pressure and hostility toward their bodies. It was sublime. Early 90's, I believe. Maybe mid.Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660203262007257126noreply@blogger.com